tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post110515217160818990..comments2024-02-12T03:38:12.487-05:00Comments on Popular Technology.net: Open-Source is not necessarily FreeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1111457463073179402005-03-21T21:11:00.000-05:002005-03-21T21:11:00.000-05:00Drew you missed the point of both their posts:when...Drew you missed the point of both their posts:<BR/><BR/>when people say <I>"Free as in Speech, not Free as in Beer".</I> The part about beer is not the economic cost of beer, everything has an economic cost associated with it. They are talking about free as in I gave you a beer. Sure its not free for me, but it was for you. Thats all.<BR/><BR/>Second, when Continuous Life said: <I>"If you use Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1111305017692412442005-03-20T02:50:00.000-05:002005-03-20T02:50:00.000-05:00Gaming, Driver and Hardware Support. No Cedega is ...Gaming, Driver and Hardware Support. No Cedega is not a solution, Windows and Directx is.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1111099362157249032005-03-17T17:42:00.000-05:002005-03-17T17:42:00.000-05:00Last I checked Beer is not free. That common used ...Last I checked Beer is not free. That common used analogy is flawed and does help anyone understand the concept any better. These sort of communication problems plague the opensource community. The article is very clear in that alot of people have the misconception that all Opensource software is free, no-cost software. The concept of opensource is well understood.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107282727038669612005-02-01T13:32:00.000-05:002005-02-01T13:32:00.000-05:00What it really comes down to is how you choose to ...What it really comes down to is how you choose to license your software. If you choose OSI compatable licenses, then your software is free as in no cost.<br /><br />If you choose some other license that is "open source", (you can see the code) then who knows what the person might choose to do. But if the code is not freely redistrobutable then it is not open source, it is not free as in I can do Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107282321466392722005-02-01T13:25:00.000-05:002005-02-01T13:25:00.000-05:00Heres the thing, there are so many definitions of ...Heres the thing, there are so many definitions of Open Source that it can drive you mad. What I reguard as the true definition is the <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opensource.org%2Fdocs%2Fdefinition.php">OSI definition</A>, the reason I choose this definiton is because it is genereally accepted as "true open source." The OSI "validates" certain licenses as OSI compatable Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107274791551129162005-02-01T11:19:00.000-05:002005-02-01T11:19:00.000-05:00Exactly and part of my point. Open-Source needs to...Exactly and part of my point. Open-Source needs to be redefined as code modification allowed or something. The word free really should not be used because it is misleading.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107274358320543232005-02-01T11:12:00.000-05:002005-02-01T11:12:00.000-05:00I just thought of another analogy, though I don't ...I just thought of another analogy, though I don't know if this one is as good. People really do like brand names. If you go in a store and see some generic store brand or some offical brand name brand, most people will spring for the brand name item becuase it is somehow better.<br /><br />People "buy" that somehow better brand name in addition to the product they are getting even if it is more Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107274168416793212005-02-01T11:09:00.000-05:002005-02-01T11:09:00.000-05:00I just think that it is no different from regular ...I just think that it is no different from regular software or anything else for that matter. You can't just take something from redhat, call it redhat and sell it to everyone else. Just like you can't take something form Microsoft, call it Microsoft and sell it like its from Microsoft. It's illigal and you will most likely be sued by both companies. It's just the way "names or trademarks" or Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107273196415525012005-02-01T10:53:00.000-05:002005-02-01T10:53:00.000-05:00This is the whole point, that you can not resell t...This is the whole point, that you can not resell true "Red Hat" Linux. Red Hat does though, I mean sure they are saying it is a service package but come on.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107272627767585272005-02-01T10:43:00.000-05:002005-02-01T10:43:00.000-05:00You keep going back to the "Can you sell exactly R...You keep going back to the "Can you sell exactly RHEL the way that redhat does."<br /><br />I agree with you no you can not. You can only sell it for the cost of materials and shipping, no profit.<br /><br />But the way I read your article it was talking about RedHat in reguards to OpenSource software. My point is that the source for RedHat is FREE and that you can sell that (as long as you give Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107272214359423542005-02-01T10:36:00.000-05:002005-02-01T10:36:00.000-05:00Well, I'm going to get extremely technical with re...Well, I'm going to get extremely technical with reguards to the definition of open source.<br /><br />Yes, you can sell RHEL with respect to the code and modifications that redhat has released under the GPL. People base tons of Linux "distrobutions" on redhat.<br /><br />No, you can not sell Redhat's logos, *BUT* the logos and trademarks are NOT opensource software, they are trademarks of RedHat.Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107271718270291152005-02-01T10:28:00.000-05:002005-02-01T10:28:00.000-05:00Can you resell "Red Hat" Linux? No and that was my...Can you resell "Red Hat" Linux? No and that was my whole point.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107271129874182732005-02-01T10:18:00.000-05:002005-02-01T10:18:00.000-05:00Haha, I totally understand your hate for that comm...Haha, I totally understand your hate for that comment, I just used it because that is how it was always described to me. I just think of it like this, its free as in beer if your friend gives you the beer. Just like the software is free, if the community gives it to you. Now that beer was not free for your friend (he had to buy it), and the code wasn't free for they community (they had to spend Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107270742801967792005-02-01T10:12:00.000-05:002005-02-01T10:12:00.000-05:00Where can you get Red Hat Enterprise Edition for f...Where can you get Red Hat Enterprise Edition for free?<br /><br />The article was about the public perception Open-Source is free, no-cost software. I honestly hate the Free as in beer phrase. Because beer isn't free!!!Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107270303418392532005-02-01T10:05:00.000-05:002005-02-01T10:05:00.000-05:00More elaboration, I read your artcile last night a...More elaboration, I read your artcile last night and was very tired, I just re-read it to make sure I was making sense.<br /><br />I see what you are saying, "the perception that open source is 100% free as in Beer and free as in freedom." It depends on what the license says, most of the time it just works in the situation where if you want to distribute open source software, your only obligationBritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107269263517808672005-02-01T09:47:00.000-05:002005-02-01T09:47:00.000-05:00I wanted to clarify that last comment as I was wro...I wanted to clarify that last comment as I was wrong about something. *YOU* can get the redhat linux for free, and keep all the redhat logos and trademarks etc. on your system. YOU just can't take that version you have compiled and distribute it to other people without removing the other stuff.<br /><br />So in effect if you really wanted RHEL linux from RedHat then you can compile it all on Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107268960155432362005-02-01T09:42:00.000-05:002005-02-01T09:42:00.000-05:00I understand what you are saying but my point is y...I understand what you are saying but my point is you do not get exactly "Red Hat" Linux.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107268835944225162005-02-01T09:40:00.000-05:002005-02-01T09:40:00.000-05:00The point is you are getting red hat linux for fre...The point is you are getting red hat linux for free (ie the code they contributed). What you are not getting for free are the redhat logos (which are their own trademarks etc...) and the support. Now you don't get the actual compiled version from RedHat for free, you have access to all of their source code from their CVS tree. If you want that to be a working system you have to compile all of Britohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107233859985552872005-01-31T23:57:00.000-05:002005-01-31T23:57:00.000-05:00You still can not get "Red Hat" Linux for free.You still can not get "Red Hat" Linux for free.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05170143101028077396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9481975.post-1107233444082485162005-01-31T23:50:00.000-05:002005-01-31T23:50:00.000-05:00By the way, you do know that you can get the free ...By the way, you do know that you can get the free version of RHEL with <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whiteboxlinux.org%2F">WhiteBox Linux</A>, and <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.centos.org%2F">CentOs</A>. They are both the exact same code base with the redhat logos removed. These are the community supported editions. When you buy from RedHat you buy it forBritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184135812841711207noreply@blogger.com